FastPass+

bnoble

he's right
Having followed this on and off for a while now---mostly out of morbid curiosity---here is my best guess about how this all shakes down, at least to start:

* A total of at most three FP+ per day, though there is a chance that there might be 4 at MK.
* Attractions in groups, with a smaller limit per group. (For example: Coaster, Tower, Toy Story, and Fantasmic in a group, at most two).
* At most one FP+ per attraction/show (so, no doubling up on Toy Story)
* Everyone has the same access, onsite or off, Deluxe or Value.
* APers will have a (generous) limit of total FP+ per quarter, in addition to the daily limit (this is a little speculative; have seen less about this.)
* A chance of bonus (but pointless) FP+ being randomly granted, similar to today's Philharmagic Bonus FPs that sometimes print.
* Many more attractions/shows/experiences will be FP+ enabled than just the rides with FP today.

I expect the following to be "power user" strategies:

* Prefer late afternoon/evening FP+ reservations, and make hay during the first hour or two after rope drop, for morning/break/evening days
* Put those FP+ reservations on one "side" of the park to avoid criss-crossing in the morning (e.g. If you can FP+ only two of three mountains, always pick Splash and Thunder, and you can ignore the West Side all morning).
* Prefer to FP+ attractions with low capacity (e.g. Fantasyland dark rides rather than the Omnimovers)
* Use FP+ to enable an extra late night/sleep-in day or two during busy seasons with late park hours.
* Use FP+ for things that rope drop can't help you with (e.g. Fantasmic.) or that have sketchy uptime (e.g. Test Track, and these days, Tower)

But, the practical impact of FP+ will be that "power users" will be slightly more limited than the current system affords. On the other hand, those of us with teens (or those who just don't want to get up) will find that the new system is helpful.

The 3/park limit is based on a pretty good guess at total attraction capacity in each park, but depends on the current FP-enabled attraction count and an assumption that every single guest uses 3 every single day. As more and more things get added to FP+, and as Disney gains experience regarding how many guests still don't use FP+, the total number per day per user could go up.

Likewise, I expect that over time, Disney will offer some extra benefits in some form to onsite guests vs. offsite, and to guests who spend a lot vs. those who don't. That could be extra FP+, a head start at reserving, a relaxation of the grouping rules, or whatever. "Spend a lot" could happen in a variety of different ways. The obvious way is "stay in a more expensive resort", but there are other possibilities. For example, a promotion for a bonus FP+ if you buy $X in merchandise-only gift cards. Another example: a bonus FP+ for every guest who actually checks in to ride ME (because not having a car -> more money goes to Disney).

I can even imagine bonus FP+ as a way to draw more attendance to low-attendance times of year---at those times the total "pressure" on the FP+ system is lower, but conversely you don't need them as badly.

Really, the possibilities are endless.
 

Marianna

New member
This is going to be interesting for a visitor like myself. AP holder/lives in the area. I sometimes plan a trip in advance, but more likely my visits are planned a week or even a day prior. I may not have much to choose from in the FP+ selections. Hopefully I can continue to access regular FP but with the added bonus of being able to pull them electronically via the app.
 

bnoble

he's right
All signs suggest that regular FP is headed to Yesterland. There will still be same-day reservations available, but they will be part of the FP+ system.

There may be some FP+ slots at each attraction that are held back until same-day. Those that you make same-day may or may not be part of the quarterly limit (assuming there is one to begin with). But, it seems very very unlikely that there will be two different systems for virtual queueing.
 

Marianna

New member
I have the idea that when they say there will no longer be a choice between FP and FP+ it's just their way of saying the entire system has now been plused. Next generation and all that. Hopefully I'll still be able to tour in a similar manner, only plused, and hopefully everyone with FP+ in hand will figure they now don't have to rush to RD, leaving me more time to ride with lowered crowd levels! :)

Well, I'll have to wait and see with everyone else.
 

clanmcculloch

expert on dietary needs and disney dining
I'm really hoping that with FP+ more people will skip RD. We can only do morning through lunch in the parks so between hopefully lower RD crowds (a girl can hope, can't she?) and FPs in the morning we should actually make out pretty well if it goes as everybody's speculating. I'm actually hoping that FP+ might make some attractions that we can't do right now due to DD15's autism (mostly shows and parades though I might try to see about one firework show in a trip) possible if they're FP+ enabled. I'm very curious to see how FP+ will impact GACs, if they impact them at all.
 

Bernie2003

New member
I'm actually hoping that FP+ might make some attractions that we can't do right now due to DD15's autism (mostly shows and parades though I might try to see about one firework show in a trip) possible if they're FP+ enabled. I'm very curious to see how FP+ will impact GACs, if they impact them at all.
^^^This!

With Andy's issues, we've never seen F!, we skip most character meets, we don't watch Wishes, and Andy just saw MSEP for the first time a few weeks ago because we "literally" walked into MK 5 minutes before it started and there was a spot for the two of us to stand right in the front. It would be awesome to be able to "reserve" a spot for the fireworks so we can actually experience it. I'm thinking it will be good for us, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 

Not That Josh

Well-known member
I will stay away from the GAC discussion, but just say this one thing. Unfortunately, like most systems put in place to help people, GAC's help some people and are abused by others. It would be nice if they could create a system where only those that need help get it, but that's very unlikely.
 

Micah008

Moderator
Staff member
Discussing FP+ rumors with DW as we drive to see family.... she had two good questions.

What about the Rider Switch Pass ("Child Swap"), how will it change or go away?

What about the big tour groups from Brazil? They will have a hard time with FP+
 

Not That Josh

Well-known member
I think I could be more optimistic about FP+ if there was not the assumption that Disney will be directing people to FP+ and helping them use it. One of the things that helps all of us is that not everyone knows what a FP is and many never use one. If, during booking or check-in, Disney directs people to use FP+, then a higher percentage will be using it than FP's now. Who can guess how that will affect things. There are too many variables to it for it to be predictable, which is probably why I have avoided reading much about it (except this thread and a couple of others).
 

Not That Josh

Well-known member
I would think child swap could stay essentially the same.

Can't answer the tour group question (from any country) because I don't know much about how they plan now.
 

blyday

tests unsafe roller coasts in china
I think I could be more optimistic about FP+ if there was not the assumption that Disney will be directing people to FP+ and helping them use it. One of the things that helps all of us is that not everyone knows what a FP is and many never use one. If, during booking or check-in, Disney directs people to use FP+, then a higher percentage will be using it than FP's now. Who can guess how that will affect things. There are too many variables to it for it to be predictable, which is probably why I have avoided reading much about it (except this thread and a couple of others).
I strongly doubt that this is really going to do anything. The thing is that there are very destictive groups of people out there who do not currently use FPs and those people are not going to change just because Disney tells them about FP+.

The first group are the "non-informed by choice". This group is the one that has all of the information right in front of them....practically begging them to learn about it but refuse to. For example....the 2 ladies I heard talking about the FP lane and that people had to pay extra to get it, etc while holding a park map in their hands with the FP information on how it works, etc right in their hands!!! The truth is that the information on how to use FP has always been readily available.....people just plan choose to ignore it because they don't want to be bothered with reading about it.

The next group of people who are going to be turned off by FP+ and those are the "spontaneous" group. These people don't even make ADRs because they don't like the idea of having to decide in advance where they will eat. I can't tell you how may people posted on the Disney Facebook questions about FPs how they didn't like being told when they had to return to a spot in the park. What if they were over on the other side of the park when that window opened. If they won't make ADRs and don't like the restrictions of the current FP system.....then you can pretty well guess that they are not going to want to plan which park they are going to be in and pre-arrange FPs 60 days in advance!!!!

Another group of people are the "I like to stand in line" group. (This one I really have never understood.) Again.....I read response after response after response about how standing in line is half of the fun of being at Disney and allows them to have more time to visit with each other, meet new people in line, etc. You can bet that they too will not want anything to do with FP+......after all....they like their lines!!!!!

Sure....there might be a small number of people who will start using FP because of the whole new system.....but there might be a similar number of people who stop using it. So in the end.....I just don't see FP+ suddenly becoming inundated with new FP users.
 

Not That Josh

Well-known member
You are the first person I have seen with that opinion. I hope you are right.

Even if Disney tries to get people to do it at check-in, who knows what rides they might pick and how that will affect lines anyway?

I sound like a broken record with this: those who are tuned in, like people on this site, should have at least some advantage no matter what system exists.
 

Marianna

New member
I hope when Josh takes us on his "count the smiles" tour he includes a sidetrip to see the "I like to stand in line" folks. :))

My thoughts are that Disney has always dangled carrots to get people to go where Disney wants them. Look at dining reservations; ever punch in a random "breakfast" request at a TS restaurant? You are directed to the 8-9 timeframes. Even when 7:30 is available. Same with resorts. You'll never get the entire list, only what Disney wants to direct you to. You have to be specific. FP+ will be the same I think for those who don't really know their way around....*fingers crossed*
 

Mossy1

New member
Interesting that the terms have been updated. I wonder how close Disney really is to making the system available to everyone to use. My thoughts are perhaps in the next few months, by July for sure. I hope that it is not one way (FP) or the other (FP+), if you can still get both that would be golden. If you have to choose then I 'm not sure I would like the limitations. As others have mentioned how great it would be to be able to crush say MK in the early AM and then move over to another park..say HS with TSMM, RnRC, and F! Fp+ lined up after being all freshly recharged from a nice afternoon break!! That would be a dream, and would definitely increase the value of getting the hopper upgrade.
 

pfalcioni

does anybody know how to change this?
Sure....there might be a small number of people who will start using FP because of the whole new system.....but there might be a similar number of people who stop using it. So in the end.....I just don't see FP+ suddenly becoming inundated with new FP users.
You are the first person I have seen with that opinion. I hope you are right.
I think Brenda is right. How long has Fastpass been around? At least a decade. How much information does Disney put out there about the product? Lots, at least they used to. They had TV ads about "skipping the line", plenty of print ads showing families with FP in hand, walking past standby lines. The Year of a Million Dreams (which lasted much more than a year) included Dream Fastpasses which were advertised in all the media. Same with the What Will You Celebrate promotion with its Birthday Fastpass.

Not only that, but if you're staying on-site, there's information on the TV when you turn it on, there's info in the folio you receive at check-in, and there's info on every park map.

I don't know the number, but in spite of all this, I'll bet a good 20% of park visitors don't understand and have never used the current FP system.

Now think about how many people you personally know who don't like computers or other electronic "gadgets". All of those people will be actively ignoring the new FP+ system. Even if they used the old system in the past, they will not want to deal with the electronic nature of the new system and will avoid it if possible. Those numbers will get added to the already large number of people who have managed to stay ignorant of the current system for over a decade.

Add those numbers to the folks who don't want to make reservations months in advance and don't want to be told when to be someplace while they're on vacation, and I'll bet at least for the first year or two after FP+ is implemented, they won't have a very high percentage of park-goers using the system.
 

bnoble

he's right
Sounds more like wishful thinking to me.

For example, what are the odds that TWDC spent $1B on a new high-tech system without having some idea of how many people would be comfortable using a computer before they arrived, or a touch-screen kiosk that day? Remember, there will still be in-park kiosks, so you don't *have* to do things in advance. But some people will. In at least this sense, FP+ is strictly more attractive to people in general.

Yes, there are whackadoos who like to stand in line, or post other silly things on Facebook strings, just like there are nutcases who post the dumbest things imaginable as online comments to newspaper articles. They aren't representative. People are stupid, but they aren't *that* stupid.
 
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Not That Josh

Well-known member
It would be nice if you two were right, but I keep hearing this described as FP for idiots or some variation on that.

People seem to think that Disney is going to put significant effort into getting people to use FP+. I think people could end up using FP+ in the same way that they use EMH. Many don't really understand EMH but use it because Disney says to so it must be the right thing to do. I feel like Disney will really be pushing it on people, especially at first. As always, Disney will adjust once they see some results, but I feel like they will be more aggressively pushing FP+ than they ever have with FP.
 

blyday

tests unsafe roller coasts in china
Where I agree that Disney will most definitely be pushing this, etc.......I still don't think that it is going to be the crazy impact that some of us are fearing. And let's face it.....how many of us have gone to WDW and ridden the same attraction 3-4 times because we knew how to maximize the FP system? Well....that isn't going to happen now because we will be limited....period. So....we get our 3 FP now....all for different attractions. That now opens up more FPs for those few people who are going to start using this new system who didn't use it before. So....I still say that we aren't going to see this huge upswing of FP usage. And quite honestly......I can see me using even less then the 3 FP per day and if we do.....it very well could be for something like F!. So....this again means more FPs for people to use.

Here is the way that I see FP+ working for someone like me:
We arrive at the park for RD and do our morning rides without FPs. Let's face it.....I know enough of how to tour that I really can make it without FPs for the first couple of hours at least. So....we might want one for the morning....but if we are hopping parks....then we'd want the FP for the evening. We take a break and then return to the park or hop to a different park. When we go back to a park, we typically are there for a more relaxed evening and for evening entertainment....so having 3 FPs to need to use might really be more then we want to deal with....so we might have 1 or 2 set up but that is all.....unless we are using one for our evening entertainment.

Yes.....there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that our touring will be changed by the whole new FP+ system.....but I really don't see the changes being something where all of the FPs are going to be gone for a day over night or anything like that. I don't have some diluted, rose colored glasses view of all of this.....I just have accepted the fact that it will change things and move accordingly.

And as far as the research thing....sure....there are people who will say a bunch of crazy things on line.....but I've heard it in person also. You'd be surprised at how many clients I get who really don't have any interest in doing any planning....period. They have even said to me "We know that there will be long lines but that is part of what going to Disney is all about....right?" And trust me....they believe this. I'm sure you know people who feel this same way. I'm sure that the main thing that FP+ is geared to change are to accommodate all of those who like to arrive later in the day and were very upset that FPs were gone for the major attractions or pushed too far out for them to use, etc. That really was the number one complaint that I saw on all of those FB surveys that Disney did last year. And FP+ really will tilt the wheel in their favor. Right now.....the early birds have the scale tilted WAY over in their favor. The limits on FP+ usage will inevitably balance out that scale as far as FPs are concerned. So.....those of us ubber planners lose out but the majority of people who like to arrive later are going to benefit.....this is the larger crowd of people so they will be happy which in turn....makes Disney happy. It really isn't about getting those people who won't and don't read about FP to suddenly start using them....it is about making it more available to the average visitor (the one that likes to sleep in and arrive in the park at 11 AM!!) At least....that has been my take on it.

And I also know that as much as Disney advertises this, etc.....the bottom line is that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Which is why there were still so many people who had no idea what a FP was or how to use it even though information is literally all over the place!!!!
 
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